President Joe Biden closed out his term in office with a final interview on MSNBC’s The Last Word with Lawrence O’Donnell at 10 p.m. ET Thursday. The one-on-one marked the close of a political career spanning half a century that became increasingly insulated as the president, who turned 82 in November, grew older.
The interview was with a friendly host on a friendly cable network that has seen a collapse in its ratings post-election. O’Donnell’s show airs at a late hour and attracts about 1.1 million viewers, making it the second most popular program on MSNBC behind Rachel Maddow—but a far cry from the reach of a broadcast tentpole like NBC’s Nightly News or CBS’ 60 Minutes, to say nothing of the viral TikToks and big-name podcasts that have largely replaced TV news for so many Americans.
O’Donnell, a former Democratic Senate aide, is also one of Biden’s more ardent supporters in the news media, having called his presser on the sidelines of a NATO summit this summer the “most masterful televised presidential news conference about foreign policy” ever delivered.
During the interview, Biden spoke about the Hamas-Israel ceasefire deal announced on Wednesday, and the conversations he held with President-elect Donald Trump surrounding the agreement.
Biden noted a conversation he had with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, telling him that he “can’t be carpet bombing these communities” during the Hamas-Israel war. Netanyahu reportedly replied, “well, you did it,” Biden said, hearkening way back to U.S. involvement in the bombing of Berlin during World War II.
“That’s why we came up with the U.N. (United Nations),” Biden replied to Netanyahu, he said.
Biden was also asked about his farewell speech to America on Wednesday night and his warning that an “oligarchy” is taking over the United States.
The president said that “if the decision is made that multibillionaires, the super, super wealthy, the wealthiest people in the world, begin to control all the apparatuses from the media to the economy, then who do I get to fight back for me?” Biden then added that “everyone deserves just a shot.”
President Joe Biden leaves the Roosevelt Room after an event at the White House on January 10 in Washington, D.C. Biden gave far fewer formal news conferences than his predecessors.
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The decision by the president to deliver his last word on O’Donnell’s Last Word suggests Biden is happy to leave office without one last big tangle with the more combative White House press corps.
Newsweek reached out to the White House for comment but did not immediately receive a response.
Biden also spoke on the economy, the Russia-Ukraine war and policy during his presidency, including the infrastructure bill. Speaking about his conversations with Russian President Vladimir Putin regarding nuclear weapons use, Biden said that “nuclear weapons, tactical nuclear weapons … scares the hell out of everybody including the Russians.”
Biden was asked by O’Donnell about rising inflation during his presidency and he noted that as he exits office, inflation has had a “soft landing,” adding that when he came into office, it was during the COVID-19 pandemic and his administration had to push legislation to “take care of that.”
The president’s aversion to the media has been something of a constant throughout his term, with the exception of the period just after his disastrous debate performance this summer when he did a handful of radio and TV interviews in an attempt to shore up public perception of his cognitive ability.
Before the summer, Biden seemed determined to avoid the public eye, his team opting for controlled appearances over the unpredictable glare of unscripted moments and sit-down interviews. But as the presidential election approached, his retreat became impossible to ignore.
The turning point came in that June debate with Trump, a rematch that had been framed as Biden’s chance to underscore his leadership and contrast him with Trump’s impulsiveness. In the months leading up to the showdown, Biden had noticeably pulled back from the media spotlight, a move that only fueled speculation about his mental acuity.
Instead, the debate served as the beginning of the end. Biden appeared unsteady, his responses erratic, his voice a hoarse whisper. For the first time, even loyal Democrats began to ask uncomfortable questions about whether he was the right man to defeat Trump at the ballot box. What was intended as a strategy to avoid missteps ultimately backfired, paving the way for his decision to step aside in July.
President Joe Biden takes part in the CNN Presidential Debate at CNN Studios in Atlanta, Georgia, on June 27, 2024. At the time, the debate drew widespread criticism, with Biden facing scrutiny for appearing unsteady and delivering meandering responses.
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A Media ‘Cover Up’
Until that moment on the debate stage in Atlanta, questions about Biden’s age and cognitive abilities were met with silence, or outright dismissal, by many in the mainstream media. MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough, host of “Morning Joe,” infamously commented in March 2024: “Biden is far beyond cogent. He is better than he has ever been intellectually, analytically.”
It wasn’t until after the debate that some of the country’s largest media outlets began to ask questions that, many argue, they should have been asking all along. The press’ tone shifted. The New York Times issued a rare editorial urging Biden to reflect on whether he was still the best choice to lead the Democratic Party. Other traditionally supportive outlets like The New Yorker joined the chorus, with editor David Remnick writing about the “honor in recognizing the hard demands of the moment.”
Even Scarborough, one of Biden’s most loyal defenders just three months earlier, turned on the president after the debate, saying “If he were a CEO and turned in a performance like that, would any Fortune 500 corporation in America keep him on?”
Veteran political journalist Mark Halperin described the media “cover up” of Biden’s health “the worst scandal in American journalism history.”
“The press turned on him and acted like they had not just propped him up for seven years,” Halperin said during an interview with conservative commentator Tucker Carlson on his podcast just before the election. “They never acknowledged their participation as co-conspirators in a 7-year-long cover up, and then the same people get to cover the new candidate.”
In this handout photo provided by ABC, President Joe Biden speaks with “This Week” anchor George Stephanopoulos on July 5, 2024, in Madison, Wisconsin. The interview came as Biden worked to recover from a widely criticized performance at the CNN presidential debate.
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In an attempt to control the debate fallout, Biden and his aides arranged a high-profile one-on-one interview with George Stephanopoulos of ABC, which did little to quell the public skepticism.
“Especially in the aftermath of that first debate with Trump, the media started questioning Biden’s ability to run again,” media analyst Brad Adgate told Newsweek.
A Presidency of Fewer Words
Biden is departing Washington as the president with the fewest news conferences and media interviews among the last seven presidents, according to an analysis by presidential scholar Martha Joynt Kumar.
While Biden’s administration leaned into digital communication and informal Q&A exchanges, traditional press engagement were few and far between. Based on Kumar’s data, up until to June 2024 Biden participated in 588 impromptu interactions with reporters during his term—second only to Trump—but held just 36 formal news conferences and 125 interviews. By comparison, Trump conducted 327 interviews, and Obama had 479 at similar points in their presidencies.
“These informal interactions often lacked the depth of accountability that formal interviews or news conferences provide,” Adgate, the media critic said.
The ‘Biden Bubble’
The president’s limited media presence wasn’t just a strategy to shield him from social media scrutiny, it became a narrative unto itself. Though his team frequently cited his lifelong stutter as an explanation for his often poor performances in unscripted settings, the optics had become hard to ignore.
After switching to more stable sneakers following a fall during a military graduation ceremony in June 2023, some commentators speculated that his team was quietly acknowledging his physical decline. However, questions about his mental sharpness remained largely ignored—even as polling showed Americans had serious questions about his physical and cognitive abilities.
President Joe Biden speaks to reporters before boarding Air Force One at Joint Base Andrews in Maryland on October 2, 2024. While his team often attributed his struggles in unscripted settings to his lifelong stutter, the mounting optics of these moments had become increasingly difficult to overlook.
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A PBS NewsHour/NPR/Marist poll released in April 2023 showed that only 47 percent of Democrats supported Biden running for reelection, with a significant decline in support among younger Democrats.
Even as these questions about his mental fitness were avoided—what Jill Abramson, former executive editor of The New York Times, attributed to reporters’ political concerns about “not being accused of helping Donald Trump”—the mainstream media began raising concerns about the president’s accessibility. In March 2024, the Times issued a rare public statement criticizing the administration for its limited engagement with journalists.
“For anyone who understands the role of the free press in a democracy, it should be troubling that President Biden has so actively and effectively avoided questions” the statement read.
Deputy White House Press Secretary Andrew Bates responded to the Times criticism, stating: “President Biden is delivering his message to the American people through an aggressive, modern, all-encompassing communications and digital strategy.” He highlighted interviews Biden gave to The New Yorker, ProPublica, and CNN’s Fareed Zakaria, as well as multiple appearances on cable news, with MSNBC leading the count.
A Shifting Media Landscape
Biden’s presidency coincided with seismic shifts in how Americans consume news, as traditional media outlets were faced with declining trust and dwindling audiences.
A recent Gallup poll revealed that nearly 70 percent of Americans have little to no confidence in the press, making it the least trusted institution in the country—behind even Congress. Meanwhile, podcasters and independent creators saw their fortunes soar during the Biden years, with figures like Joe Rogan drawing more listeners than the combined evening news broadcasts of ABC, NBC and CBS.
Trump was among the first to recognize—and capitalize on—this new reality, bypassing legacy outlets to connect with his base directly through social media platforms now shaped by tech titans embracing a new ethos of “free speech absolutism.” Biden, by contrast, stuck to a more traditional playbook—one that often felt out of step with the digital age.
“If Biden could revisit his administration, I’m sure he might reconsider how he handled the media,” Adgate said. “Having more news conferences or engaging more with journalists—like previous presidents—could have made a difference. But with the fast-paced news cycle, especially over the last decade, I’m not sure how much news conferences still matter.”
A Farewell on His Terms
President Joe Biden speaks at a news conference on July 11, 2024, on the final day of the NATO summit in Washington. As the president prepares to leave Washington, he does so in the understated style that defined much of his presidency.
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As the president prepares to leave Washington, he does so in the understated style that defined much of his presidency. Biden’s conversation with O’Donnell is expected to focus on his legacy while steering clear of the controversies that dogged him in 2024.
MSNBC is among the outlets still adjusting to the return of Trump. On the same day it announced O’Donnell had landed Biden’s final interview, the cable network said that Maddow would return to hosting her show five nights a week—a clear signal that the liberal wing of the mainstream media is preparing to ramp up coverage of a president who thrives on constant visibility.
Update 1/16/25, 10:57 p.m. ET: This article has been updated to include remarks from Biden’s interview with MSNBC on Thursday night.
