Kamala Harris has stepped back from the spotlight post her 2024 election loss to Donald Trump, as is normal for presidential candidates who don’t win. But the nature of Kamala’s campaign and what happened with former President Joe Biden has meant that there’s still a lot of interest in what went on in the campaign, particularly as Democrats plot how to challenge Trump in the midterms and next presidential election. And one of the things people are interested in is her relationship with former President Joe Biden.

During a recent appearance on The Diary of a CEO podcast Harris spoke about her relationship with Biden, and the ups and downs they’ve had. First, she made it clear that the two are still friends. “It’s a good relationship. I just talked to him two days ago. He called me for my birthday,” she said, “Yes, it’s very complicated.”

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“I have a great deal of affection for him,” she explained. “And there were times that I’ve been quite candid about where he greatly disappointed me and frankly, you know, angered me.”

Harris gave context to one of those moments, a phone conversation before her debate against then-Republican nominee Donald Trump. And she also explained that she wondered whether she should even include it in her post-election memoir, 107 Days. “I thought about this. Was I going to write about it or not? And I decided in writing this book, I was going to just be honest, and these are the facts, and the reader can take what they want from it.”

She then told the story. “On the day of the debate, my debate with Trump, And you know, so going into a presidential debate is an incredibly intense and intensive project, including what has historically happened that we even called debate camp,” she said, only to say that after all the intense preparation, as she was getting ready, she was told Biden wanted to speak with her.

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“I’m in the hotel room with Doug, with my husband, and the president calls, and I was told that he wanted to call me so that I’d be ready. And I was so sure it was to buck me up and go get him,” she said. “And he did say that for the first beat. And then he went on to talk about a group of people in Pennsylvania who were saying bad things about me because they heard I was saying bad things about him. And when I hung up the phone, I was just… it was unbelievable.”

This all comes after recent reports that Harris’ relationship with Barack and Michelle Obama isn’t that great. According to a report from the NY Post, Obama was “not happy” that Rep. Nancy Pelosi quickly endorsed then-Vice President Harris only 24 hours after Biden put an end to his reelection bid. The Obama reaction was described in a new book called Retribution, written by ABC News’ Jonathan Karl.

“The Obamas were not happy,” a Pelosi confidant told Karl, according to an excerpt obtained by the Daily Mail. “This person summed up Obama’s message to Pelosi as, essentially, ‘What the f–k did you just do?’”

We still have probably not heard the last of the behind-the-scenes stories that are going to come out about the 2024 election. But, no matter what happened, it’s likely all these people will find common ground once again when it’s time to go against the Republican party in the midterms.

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