The CEO of the world’s most valuable company didn’t learn about America through elite universities or tech incubators. His education started in a rural Kentucky boarding school where the students smoked, carried knives, and the youngest student on campus, at 9 years old, was assigned to clean the toilets.

That student was Jensen Huang.

In a recent podcast appearance with Joe Rogan, the Nvidia CEO traced that improbable starting point back to his parents, who had sent him and his brother to the United States in the mid-1970s with almost nothing. The family had been living in Bangkok during one of Thailand’s periodic coups, and his parents decided it was no longer safe to keep the children there. They contacted an uncle they had never visited in Tacoma, Wash., and asked him to find a school in America that would accept two foreign boys with almost no savings.

He found one: Oneida Baptist Institute in Clay County, Ky., one of the poorest counties in the country then and now. The dorms had no closet doors, no locks, and a population of kids who smoked constantly—Huang said he also tried smoking for a week, at age 9—and settled disputes with knives. Huang’s roommate was a 17-year-old wrapped in tape from a recent fight; the “toughest kid in school,” he said. Every student had a job. His brother was sent to the tobacco fields the school ran to fund itself—“kind of like a penitentiary”—while Huang became the janitor, cleaning the bathrooms for a hundred teenage boys (“I just wished they would be a bit more careful” in the bathroom, he joked.)

That indefatigable cheerfulness, even when describing scenes that sound brutal to almost anyone else, ran through the entire interview.

Huang said most of his memories from that period were good, and remembers the time he told his parents his amazement after eating at a restaurant: “Mom and Dad, we went to the most amazing restaurant today. This whole place is lit up. It’s like the future. And the food comes in a box, and the food is incredible. The hamburger is incredible.”

“It was McDonald’s,” Huang said laughing.

Indeed, these memories were relayed to his parents later on; the boys were navigating all of this alone. International phone calls were too expensive, so his parents bought them a cheap tape deck. Once a month, they recorded an audio letter describing their lives in coal country and mailed it back to Bangkok. Their parents taped over the same cassette and mailed it back.

Two years later, Huang’s parents finally made it to America, with just suitcases and only a bit of money. His mother worked as a maid. His father, a trained engineer, looked for work by circling openings in the newspaper classifieds and calling whoever picked up. He eventually found a job at a consulting engineering firm designing factories and refineries.

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